Q&A with Bob Odenkirk, Meryl Streep, and Tom Hanks

The following questions and answers are excerpted from a conversation that followed the NBR screening of The Post.

What was the process of making this film?
Meryl Streep: It came together very quickly because Steven Spielberg was making another film with everything ready to go in Italy, except the lead wasn’t cast yet. Somebody passed him Liz Hannah’s script and he loved it, so he decided to make it. Within three weeks, he relocated his entire crew, started building sets, and brought in Josh Singer to enhance the script. We started shooting in May, finished in July, and had a cut two weeks later. I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.

Tom Hanks: Well there’s no special effects, so there’s no green screen or pre-visualization. There were no shots that had to be constructed after the fact. Spielberg’s requirement of what the script needed was that he wanted to know what was in the Pentagon Papers. Liz Hannah wrote about this thing you knew was important, but didn’t know what was in it. From that, reading about Daniel Ellsberg and finding the particulars of how the story was broken, it was a script in constant flux until shooting. It became a more dense, concrete, and authenticated story of the Pentagon Papers.

Bob Odenkirk: It was amazing that everything Liz found in the original script was still there watching the movie. Her ideas survived reimagining the journey of it.

“I feel like Ben Bagdikian knew that this was the story of his life.”

Where do you think Kay Graham is, mentally, when we first meet her in this story and do you feel that she changes during in the events of publishing the Pentagon Papers?
Streep: I knew of Kay Graham in her fully formed importance in culture. I didn’t know anything about who she was for the first fifty years of her life. That was the revelation. I saw her as someone socially adept as moving easily within power echelons of society. I didn’t know the degrees of her insecurity and where she sat. She lived in a particular time as she was a housewife in Washington, D.C. and a hostess brought up in private education to be a woman that raised money for good causes, acted like a good wife, and supported the husband. Then, unexpectedly, delivered onto her lap was the responsibility for this company, which at the time The Washington Post was not as respected as it is now. She helped shape The Washington Post to be what it is today. And she did that by virtue of a trial by fire, which started with this and went on through Watergate, where she then became the person that opportunity afforded her to become.

For Ben Bradlee, how much did you know about him coming into the film?
Hanks: I had met him and had a number of social dinners with Ben. I had a first-hand experience of how he was the Jupiter among planets. When he was in a room, he pulled you towards him and he was insatiably curious. He was a great person to have a conversation with because he shared the requisite stories and wisdom, but he was much more interested in what you had to say about whatever the topic was on hand. His concept of being naturally cynical, but not letting that cynicism control you, is the job of a journalist. It’s so important because you can’t believe what everyone is saying, yet you have to divine the truth out of various sources. He has this wonderful saying: “You have to get it right because if you’re not right, then you have to eat it for twenty-four hours and it doesn’t taste good.” To me, this permeates every moment of the movie.

The core friendship between Kay and Ben is such an important thread through the movie. How did you craft this relationship and how do you think it was significant to the story?
Streep: I thought the story was so unusual in showing a friendship and working relationship between a man and a woman that was as intense as love yet as respectful and contentious as a relationship could be without romantic notions. The underlying working relationship is that Kay is Ben’s boss yet she treats him like he’s her boss and that negotiation for women during that time — necessary to get along with powerful men — was very interesting to me. It was great how their mutual respect grew through the crucible of this experience and only grew as time went on so much so that one of the most tragic things is watching Ben at Kay’s funeral.

Hanks: I remember talking to Sally Quinn and she said that Ben loved Kay. He only said it once at Kay’s funeral. He was aware of the burden on his boss and knew that it was not her paper first. It was her father’s, then her husband’s, and it came to her in the most tragic of circumstances imaginable. He knew that had a weight on her and up through the Pentagon Papers where she solely had the decision to publish or not, solidified a degree of respect bordering on awe that he was in the right place with the right boss. And he thanked his lucky stars that he answered to Katherine Graham.

It’s very powerful when your character first discovers the Pentagon Papers and realizes what he has as a journalist. What was it like filming that scene?
Odenkirk: I feel like Ben Bagdikian knew that this was the story of his life. He had been in the business a long time at that point. He just knew that this only happens once in your life when you get information of this scale and it was a great experience for him. Being on set and watching Spielberg discover the shots on the day of shooting was fun. How many times do you get to watch one of the greats at work?

Q&A with Meryl Streep and Hugh Grant

The following questions and answers are excerpted from a conversation that followed the NBR screening of Florence Foster Jenkins. 

The opening scene is really beautiful, and frames the story so well. Can you discuss how that was conceived?

Meryl Streep: Well, it’s interesting that you mention that scene, because the script that we both received didn’t start that way. It started with a trial. And Bayfield was trying to get the inheritance that was due him— based on the will she always carried in her little suitcase. But in the film script we received there were evil cousins. And this sort of adheres to history: Somehow, the briefcase disappeared. And in the script, the evil cousins stole it on the night that she died. So he was without an inheritance, and he went to court to receive it. They actually shot it… Hugh should talk about that though.

“There’s only one thing harder than the ends of films, and that’s the beginnings of films.”

Hugh Grant: Yes, that’s right. We shot it. And I was rather good in that scene as well, actually [laughter]. Poor old Bayfield is being given a hard time in that scene by the family lawyers. This is three months after Florence’s death, and they’re saying, “come on you’re just a gold digger… you picked up her dry cleaning and you say you were her husband.” Because the problem was that they never got married officially. It was just sort of a declaration of love that they had—

Streep: It was a common-law marriage. They had rings… It was a little private ceremony at their home. But she had a husband already, which was a problem.

Grant: Yes. Who had given her more than just a ring! So anyway, yes, it used to start like that. And there’s only one thing harder than the ends of films, and that’s the beginnings of films. It’s so difficult to set the right note. And what happened was, that trial scene was designed to make the audience intrigued, and then you cut back to earlier in their story and you’re supposed to be wondering, “does Bayfield really love her, or is he just a gold digger?” But we felt that wasn’t quite right because the audience didn’t bond with him through that approach, and if they didn’t bond with him then they wouldn’t bond with her either, or the rest of the film. So the opening you saw today was shot months later, actually, as a new way of starting the film.

Streep: And it was my idea, the monologue for Bayfield… I just want to say!

It’s also a great way to open the film because it’s the one chance the audience has to see you as a duo, as a couple performing together, doing the craft that you love.

Grant: Well, I was nagging Stephen Frears throughout the entire shoot for more references to the fact that Bayfield was a failed actor. Because I thought it was charming that we both had insufficient talent and were slightly delusional. I always thought it’d be boring if people thought he was just a smooth, aristocratic ringmaster. And it was much more interesting if you knew that underneath, really, without this crazy world… he was nothing. He was an out-of-work actor.

Streep: It adheres more closely to what that relationship was, because we read their love letters — they were together for 35 years — and they wrote each other fervent letters and they referred to their love of art and music. And that’s where their affection connected.

Do you think, on some level, that she knew she had a bad voice?

While we were making it, there was a sort of a tug about what the story really was. Is this the story of Bayfield’s dilemma? In which she’s an object… she’s deluded, and he’s got multiple things going on. Or is she also a nuanced character? Do you question what she knows? And to me, it was more interesting to imagine that there was a sentience to her, a self-awareness and a sort of decision somewhere in her head to be happy. In spite of everything. In spite of her illness, in spite of his girlfriend… You know, I don’t know. I don’t know what the real Florence knew or cared about. So that was something that really engaged me.

They’re both part of this ‘club,’ and they’re all enjoying it immensely. How did you conceive that club? Was it just a bunch of hard-of-hearing people, or were they on her side?

Grant: That was very much one of my questions to Stephen Frears early on. To which I got the traditional Stephen Frear’s answer: “No idea!” I asked why the Verdi Club would fall for this? Why are they applauding so wildly, do we think? And my personal theory was that a lot of it was, in fact, just a love of Florence and what she represented. Her enthusiasm and all that. And then kindness. But I think also that those music societies in New York in the ’40’s were full of people who were all highly socially aspirant. They were all broken old countesses and such, and people who wanted to be in something.

Streep: People who had no other outlet, really. If they were educated and wealthy, they were not women in business, women in medicine, women in law, and women in government. The women who had a lot of money and education had clubs. And they could give their husband’s or their father’s money away.

Grant: They definitely didn’t want to be thrown out of the Verdi club, because then they might be thrown out of the Wagner club, or the whatever club.

Streep: Right. It was socially aspirant. It was where women found their place in the hierarchy of society. But I think one of the things that concerned me was that we not make fun of these ‘old biddies.’ One of the reason we couldn’t shoot this in New York was that we couldn’t find a group of women of that age who actually had gray hair! And that’s absolutely true.